AI will be a paradigm shift for tech - and how that may change our work and our daily lives. What will that look like?

To explore this important topic, Data Center Richness host Rich Miller speaks with Bill Kleyman, CEO of AI technology firm Apolo. They discuss the speed of the AI transition, what comes next, what it means for the tech sector, how we handle this type of big, disruptive change as society.

Rich and Bill examine AI adoption in the context of cloud computing, and how initial skepticism and trust issues led to refinement and widespread usage as the technology matured. A major difference is the speed of development, as improvements in AI hardware from NVIDIA and other chipmakers drives rapid change in data center design, power and cooling.

In the second half of the podcast, Rich and Bill discuss the recent Data Center World conference, and what the huge turnout tells us about the curent "data center moment."

Here's an overview of the conversation:

00:00 - The AI Transition

02:30 - Up Next: Bold innovation and Uncomfortable Transitions

03:15 - Paradigm Shifts Create Winners and Losers

06:30 - Big Changes in How We Interact With Data

11:30 - Journalism and "Google Zero" as an Early Signal

13:30 - FOMO and Comfort With Asymmetric Change

17:15 - AI, Trust and the Cloud Computing Precedent

18:45 - Bill on Making Compliance Work in an AI-Powered World

21:10 - A Recap of Data Center World

25:30 - Real Estate Enthusiasm and the AI Risk Proposition

28:20 - What 'Wonder Valley" Tells Us About Where We're Headed

31:15 - Data Centers as Real Estate on Steroids

32:00 - Natural Gas a Bridge Fuel for AI Infrastructure

32:30 - Is Liquid Cooling Infrastructure Sexy?

36:30 - The Potential for Waste Heat Recycling

39:00 - Community Resistance and Responsible Infrastructure

41:00 - Can AI Transform the Power Grid?

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Bill Kleyman https://billkleyman.com/

AFCOM State of the Data Center Report https://datacenterworld.com/2025-state-data-center-report/

Apolo Web Site https://www.apolo.us/

Data Center Richness https://datacenterpodcast.com/

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