Alex Greene talks with Liza Kimble, a body therapist from South Africa who combines TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises) with gentle touch work. Liza has worked with bodies for 32 years and discovered that lighter touch often works better than deep, painful massage. She works with both people and horses, teaching them how to release tension through natural tremoring.

Liza shares how she went from doing very intense massage work to learning gentler approaches that help the nervous system feel safe. Her work with horses taught her important lessons about healing - when horses feel comfortable, they naturally start to shake and release stored stress. She's excited to present her work at a big research conference in New Orleans.

The conversation covers how to combine different healing methods, why therapists need to take care of themselves, and Liza's interest in ancient wisdom about human behavior patterns. This episode helps both therapists and regular people understand how gentle body work can help heal trauma and calm the nervous system.

Key Highlights:

• 00:01 - Background introduction
• 00:03 - Massage therapy beginnings
• 00:05 - Psoas activation discovery
• 00:07 - Meeting David Berceli
• 00:09 - First TRE experience
• 00:12 - Combining TRE fascial
• 00:14 - Fascia Congress attendance
• 00:16 - Horse tremoring discovery
• 00:19 - Touch technique evolution
• 00:22 - Client homework protocols
• 00:25 - Horse therapy training
• 00:29 - Traumatized horse transformation
• 00:34 - Horse tremoring patterns
• 00:37 - Equine therapy philosophy
• 00:42 - Teaching methodology evolution
• 00:44 - Upcoming Congress excitement
• 00:50 - Human algorithm teachings

Links and Resources:

• International Fascia Research Congress: https://www.frscongress.org/
• Liza’s Website: https://lizakimble.com/
• Polyvagal Theory resources by Dr. Stephen Porges: https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/whatispolyvagaltheory
• Tom Myers' Anatomy Trains and fascial meridians: https://www.myersmyofascialmeridians.com/

What if the secret to deep healing wasn't found in a technique---but in the quality of presence you bring to another human being? In this episode, Alex reconnects with Simba Stenqvist, TRE® trainer and somatic innovator based in Thailand, to explore his groundbreaking modality called Internal Alchemy---a fusion of neurogenic tremoring, fascial work, breathwork, and energetic practices.

Simba shares how Internal Alchemy emerged not from intellectual design, but through direct revelation during meditation---symbols, insights, and movements that seemed to arise through him rather than from him. Drawing on 25+ years in martial arts, bodywork, and nervous system practices, Simba reveals how respecting traditional lineages means bringing them forward to meet contemporary needs. From his multicultural background (Swedish-Dominican) to his "old school" teaching philosophy, Simba embodies the art of working with "who's in front of you" rather than rigid protocols.

Together, Alex and Simba dive deep into the mystery of masterful facilitation---how experienced practitioners learn to trust their intuition, follow subtle body cues, and create spaces where profound healing can unfold. This conversation explores presence as medicine, the power of authentic witnessing, and how combining fascial work with tremoring can access layers of stored trauma that pure nervous system approaches might miss. If you've ever wondered what transforms a good practitioner into a masterful one, this episode offers profound insights into the art of somatic healing.

Key Highlights:

• [00:03:00] Internal Alchemy Origins Story
• [05:15:00] Innovation Meets Ancient Wisdom
• [09:52:00] Teaching Who's Present Philosophy
• [14:27:00] Fascial Work Beyond Structure
• [17:34:00] Connecting Somatic Worlds
• [22:27:00] Creating Safe Containers
• [25:43:00] Witnessing & Reframing Trauma
• [28:30:00] Intuitive vs Intellectual Knowing
• [33:00:00] Organism-to-Organism Communication
• [40:15:00] Presence as Transmission
• [46:57:00] Natural vs Supernatural Abilities
• [48:47:00] Beyond Nervous System Labels

Links and Resources:

• Website: https://livingwiththespirit.com/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/livingwiththespirit/

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This week, Alex sits down with Daniel Seifert, a journalist whose work has appeared in the BBC, New York Times, and National Geographic. Daniel shares how he stumbled upon neurogenic tremoring through YouTube videos while looking for ways to manage deadline stress. What started as curious exploration quickly became a regular practice that helped him sleep better, release jaw tension, and feel more at ease in his body. His story is a reminder that our bodies already know how to heal—sometimes we just need to rediscover the natural mechanisms that are built right in!

Daniel's experience goes beyond just physical relief—he noticed how tremoring seemed to "dissolve the hyphen between mind and body," making him more receptive to music and even improving his posture. He compares the tremoring response to laughter: both are natural, sometimes uncontrollable movements that bring deep release and relief. Alex adds fascinating context about how Dr. David Berceli developed this approach after observing natural tremoring responses in war zones, recognizing that what many see as just "shaking with fear" might actually be the body's innate wisdom trying to complete the stress cycle.

The conversation flows into how tremoring complements other wellness practices that Daniel enjoys, from Tai Chi to breathwork to sauna and cold plunging. Alex shares stories of how this simple practice is spreading through fire departments, religious communities, and meditation centers—creating powerful results when paired with other modalities. Whether you're new to body-based practices or a seasoned wellness enthusiast, this warm conversation offers a friendly introduction to how inviting your body's natural tremors might become a game-changer in your healing toolkit.

Key Highlights:

• 0:00 - Introduction to Daniel's story
• 4:12 - Discovering tremoring on YouTube
• 8:30 - "What happened during my first tremoring session"
• 13:45 - When tremoring leads to spontaneous laughter
• 18:23 - How Tai Chi complements neurogenic tremoring
• 22:50 - Enhanced music appreciation after tremoring
• 27:15 - The posture benefits Daniel experienced
• 33:40 - "Your body knows how to heal"
• 39:10 - Invitation vs resistance in the body
• 42:30 - Tips for tremoring beginners
• 48:15 - Breathwork and tremoring: perfect partners
• 52:40 - The Feldenkrais connection
• 56:20 - Surprising insights about athletic bodies and tremoring
• 59:45 - How firefighters are using tremoring
• 1:03:12 - Meditation becomes deeper after tremoring

Links & Resources

• Shaking Medicine: https://www.amazon.com/Shaking-Medicine-Healing-Ecstatic-Movement/dp/1594771499
• Wilhelm Reich: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Wilhelm-Reich
• Alexander Lowen: https://www.lowenfoundation.org/about-alexander-lowen
• Institute for Zen Leadership: https://zenleader.global/

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