🎙️ Triggernometry Fallout: What Real Difficult Conversations Sound Like – with Katy Jon Went

After the now-infamous Triggernometry episode with Deborah Frances-White (the Guilty Feminist) sparked widespread debate, this episode is the antidote. Penny Dee sits down with Katy Jon Went – speaker, writer, and veteran of difficult conversations – for a real, respectful, and unfiltered discussion about identity, belief, and backlash in today’s divided world.

From confronting family dynamics to defending free speech, Katy brings a lifetime of experience to the table. No spin. No shutdowns. Just proper conversation.

👉 If you’ve ever felt stuck between staying silent and speaking your truth, this one’s for you.

🎧 What You'll Learn:
✔️ How to approach controversial topics without confrontation
✔️ Why disagreement doesn’t mean disrespect
✔️ How to deal with public backlash and online conflict
✔️ Why humour and curiosity still matter
✔️ The difference between “having a conversation” and delivering a lecture

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Website: https://www.katyjon.com
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📚 Penny’s Book: KWEENS: Happiness Decoded

Not your average self-help book. It’s part memoir, part manual, part middle finger to the status quo.
Written by Penny Dee, it’s the book you give your best mate… or your younger self.
Available now in paperback, Kindle, and Audible → Buy KWEENS on Amazon

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🕰️ Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction and Early Life
00:46 Navigating Identity and Family Dynamics
01:53 The Complexity of Conversations
03:39 Confrontation vs. Conversation
07:43 The Importance of Free Speech
11:27 Changing Beliefs and Open-Mindedness
18:47 Navigating Political and Social Nuances
32:50 Exploring Human Rights in Gender Debates
33:46 Finding Common Ground in Disagreements
34:41 Personal Experiences with Differing Opinions
35:56 The Importance of Open-Minded Conversations
37:26 Navigating Public Discourse and Backlash
44:53 The Role of Humor in Sensitive Topics
55:28 The Impact of Algorithms on Social Discourse
59:07 Encouraging Meaningful Conversations
01:01:38 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Episode Description
In this must-listen episode of the Penny Dee Podcast, women’s health advocate and author Heather Coppard joins Penny to shine a light on a hidden crisis affecting millions: persistent vulval and vaginal pain.

Heather shares her personal journey through vulvodynia, pelvic floor dysfunction, and chronic vaginal pain, from years of misdiagnosis to a devastating experience with a gynaecologist who claimed the pain was “in her head.”

Now a hypnotherapist and author of Optimising Recovery from Vulval and Vaginal Pain, Heather helps women across the UK who feel unheard, dismissed, and broken by their healthcare experiences.

This episode is essential for anyone struggling with chronic pain, women’s health issues, or fighting to be taken seriously in the medical system.

Quote of the Episode:
“The doctor didn’t even look at me - he told my husband the pain was in my head. What if I hadn’t had his support?” – Heather Coppard

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
✔️ Why up to 25% of women may suffer from vulvodynia or vaginal pain, but most never talk about it.
✔️ How Heather’s experience with misdiagnosis and misogyny in healthcare pushed her to leave nursing and write a book.
✔️ The reality of pelvic pain, from not being able to wear underwear to giving up driving.
✔️ How hypnotherapy for pain management became a key part of Heather’s recovery.
✔️ The importance of reclaiming your voice in medical spaces.

💡 PLUS, We Discuss:
💡 What to do if your doctor won’t listen
💡 How chronic pain impacts relationships and identity
💡 The uniform of pain: why so many women wear floaty skirts

🔗 Resources & Mentions in This Episode:
📘 Amazon Buy the book Optimising Recovery from Vulval and Vaginal Pain by Heather Coppard
🌐 Female Health Hypnotherapy (Stockport, UK) – Support for women’s pain and trauma

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🌐Heather Coppard Website
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The Price of Speaking Up – with Baroness Claire Fox

In this powerful conversation, Penny Dee sits down with Baroness Claire Fox Director of the Academy of Ideas, and a fearless advocate for free speech. Together, they explore why open debate is vital for our freedom and flourishing, why cancel culture hits women harder, and how we can reclaim spaces to speak up without fear. From the corridors of power in the House of Lords to everyday workplaces, Claire shares her unique insights on resilience, courage, and the true cost of silence.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
✔️ Why women’s voices are more likely to be silenced in today’s culture
✔️ How cancel culture and progressive language are used to stifle debate
✔️ The role of the House of Lords in protecting public debate (even if Claire thinks it should be abolished!)
✔️ Why workplace camaraderie and open conversation are crucial for freedom
✔️ The importance of resilience and solidarity in standing up for what’s right

PLUS, We Discuss:
💡 How free speech laws and hate crime legislation are weaponized to silence dissent
💡 The shocking cases of nurses and workers punished for defending women’s spaces
💡 Why young women and girls are paying the highest price when it comes to gender ideology

Quote of the Episode:
“We need to build an atmosphere of public opinion that gives people the confidence to speak—and reminds those in power that common sense still matters.” – Baroness Claire Fox

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
🔗 Academy of Ideas
🔗 Battle of Ideas Festival

🔗Claire Fox Website

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