In this conversation, Marc Gafni, Ken Wilber, and Zak Stein delve into the concept of value, particularly focusing on attention as a crucial value. They explore various dimensions of value, including its interconnectedness, the role of pleasure in ethics, and the significance of weight and gravitas. The discussion also touches on the evolution of value and the relationship between number and story, emphasizing how these concepts are intertwined in understanding reality.

In this conversation, Zak Stein and Marc Gafni discuss the concept of desire and its role in human existence. They explore the idea that desire is a fundamental aspect of reality and that it shapes our experience of the world. They also delve into the story of the Garden of Eden and its symbolic significance, highlighting the themes of desire, loneliness, and the search for connection. The conversation touches on the different aspects of desire, the relationship between power and desire, and the importance of understanding the interplay between devotion and desire. Overall, the conversation offers a deep exploration of desire and its implications for human life.

The conversation explores the concept of scripts of desire and how they shape our understanding of reality. The hosts discuss the story of the Garden of Eden as a script of desire and how different interpretations of the story reveal our own scripts of desire. They also delve into the idea that reality itself is a script of desire and that our participation in reality is expressed through our unique desires. The conversation highlights the importance of clarifying our desires and aligning them with the desires of reality. They also touch on the influence of advertising and the need to be conscious of the scripts of desire that are being imposed on us.